Carlos Corredor, Co-Founder and CEO of Condor Digital Marketing, is driven by a passion for interpreting data and helping marketing leaders Generate and Measure Your Pipeline with greater accuracy. ith a background in sports analytics and journalism, Carlos helps B2B companies identify which marketing activities generate qualified leads, clients, and revenue so they can invest confidently in what works.
In this conversation, Carlos introduces The Condor Pipeline Generation Framework—Understand Current Pipeline Generation, Map the Process, Move Budgets to Their Highest and Best Use, Fix Measurement Gaps, and Rinse and Repeat. He explains why marketers should begin with clients and revenue instead of clicks and impressions, how the Pipeline X-Ray exposes attribution gaps, and why budgets should move toward channels with proven returns. Carlos also discusses using BANT to diagnose conversion problems and why client champions, paid media, and events drive growth in high-ticket B2B markets.
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Generate and Measure Your Pipeline with Carlos Corredor
Good day, dear listeners. Steve Preda here with the Management Blueprint, and today my guest is Carlos Corredor, Co-Founder and CEO of Condor Digital Marketing, a pipeline generation and measurement firm. Carlos, welcome to the show.
Hey, Steve. Hi, everybody. Thanks for having me. Great to be here.
It’s exciting to have you and to learn about your secrets of how you generate a measurable pipeline. But before we get into it, I’m curious: What is your personal why, and how are you manifesting it through your company?
Yeah. So I’ve always been passionate about sports and the data behind sports, and I actually worked in sports data analysis and journalism. But ultimately, I’ve been passionate about interpreting data to have an advantage, whether that’s playing tennis or doing analysis for baseball teams. And then I eventually started working in marketing, doing sports websites, and I saw the opportunity. In marketing in general, especially with digital, to use data to your advantage.
So I would say that’s really what I’m passionate about in terms of my professional life and why I enjoy what I do so much and why I get up in the morning and I really look forward to the day and even to Monday. Because obviously, it’s not all fun. But ultimately, I think it comes from that passion of liking what you’re doing, and the time flies when you work and you like what you do and you see that you’re good at what you’re doing and it’s making an impact. So I would say that’s why.
And have you always been a data person? Are you analytical and like to look at the numbers behind things?
Yeah, yeah. It started with sports. That’s where I realized that I had, let’s say, that passion at the beginning and ultimately that skill. With baseball at the beginning, it was reading the back of baseball cards and then fantasy baseball in high school, and then actually working in that. In kind of like sabermetrics and Moneyball-type analysis in college.
Because I saw, just like it happens in marketing, how back in the old days, even professionals, they were using the wrong type of data or a very antiquated way of looking at things. So it’s like understanding really what has an impact and what is responsible for outcomes. That’s, I think, the part that I’ve always thought was what’s important and what I had a knack for, a talent to do that better than others. So that’s why I went deep into that.
Okay. So how do you do that? So this podcast is a podcast of frameworks. So I wonder if you have a framework of how to create pipeline generation based on data, and perhaps you can share a simplified version of that with our listeners, something that can be explained in three to five steps.
Yeah, definitely. And I’ll give you first the kind of like the philosophy or the mental model, and then I’ll give you those steps because one comes from the other. So in marketing, with all of the data that’s available, especially today, a lot of people start at the bottom. At clicks, impressions, and then they try to build a bottoms-up report to then prove what’s generating leads and clients and revenue. But that is always inexact, takes forever.
What I propose is doing it the opposite: a top-down approach where you start with clients and revenue, and then start figuring out where those leads in your pipeline or clients and the closed revenue is coming from. And you will know all of that at the beginning. So that’s, I think, how it starts, that framework. So the first step of the framework is to understand, which sounds really basic, but you’d be surprised today how many marketing leaders, marketing VPs, CMOs of especially mid-market, definitely smaller mid-market, and even some enterprise companies, don’t have that data readily available to understand how much pipeline did we, as a marketing department, generate, let’s say, last year.
So that’s, I think, the first step, is understanding that. It’s asking your team for a report that says that. Now your team’s going to come back and say they won’t know the full picture. Maybe they know 10%, maybe they know 90%. But they’re going to show you something. So then is the second step. You’re going to start adjusting your investments to what you’re seeing there, and at the same time, you’re going to start fixing the dark holes or what you can’t see.
And then simply step number three is rinse and repeat every, let’s say, quarter at the beginning. And obviously, there’s nuances of how exactly you should adjust and what exactly you can fix. But ultimately, that would be the three-step approach that you asked about.
That’s fascinating. So the understand piece is understanding your pipeline or how you’re generating the pipeline? What is it? Understanding what?
Yeah. So actually we have a name for that first step. We call it the Pipeline X-Ray. So let’s say you start a new job as a CMO of a new company. Or simply you’ve been in the job for a while and you’re listening to this and you say, “Okay, actually, I’ve never thought about it that way.
Let’s sit tomorrow with my team and ask the question: How many qualified leads and closed clients have we, as marketing, generated so far this year and, let’s say, last year?” That is understanding that. Now, I’ll tell you, I’d be very surprised if the marketing person or the marketing team or the leader has that data in a way that they can say with 100% certainty what the answer is. In terms of, “We’ve closed these four clients, and we’ve had 72 qualified leads.
And out of the 72, 50 have come from our paid search campaigns, 10 have come from events, and then the others have come from organic.” In an ideal world, that’s the type of answer that you want. But in the real world, again, very rarely do you have that clear understanding right then and there. So that’s when step number two becomes, okay, let’s close the gaps to be able to have an understanding.
Okay. So essentially, when you say adjust and fix, then are you talking about adjusting and fixing the process of generating clients, or actually mapping the gaps in the pipeline first?
Yeah, so that’s a great question. The adjust, I mean move budget around. Not necessarily increase budget. You have to prove what’s working. And obviously, if you don’t have the full picture and understanding, you cannot just go to your CEO and say, “I need more budget.” So with the same budget that you have, what can you pause and move around towards the things that step number one told you with certainty are working.
So if, let’s say, out of the 50 qualified leads that you generated, you saw that half of them came from your paid search campaigns, then you say, “Oh, okay.” And then you don’t see anything, let’s say, for conferences, and now you’re going to 10 conferences a year and you’re spending a million dollars on conferences, and you’re only spending $200,000 a year on your paid media spend. Then you say, “You know what? I’m going to stop. I’m going to pause.
We’re not going to go to these two conferences this year, and I’m going to move those $200,000, and we’re going to double our spend in Google Ads,” for example. That’s what I mean with the adjust piece. It could be the opposite. It could be pause paid search and then be more aggressive on our conference strategy. It could be, let’s start a paid social campaign, whether that’s LinkedIn or programmatic ads, or let’s be more aggressive on our PR because right now our leads have come from interviews that our subject matter experts have done in certain types of podcasts or YouTube channels.
But that’s what step number one is. But adjust is move budget around. Put your stocks where the returns are positive and where you can expect a better return almost immediately, or at least in the next upcoming months. And then the fix is particularly around the measurement gaps. The fix is what you can’t see, right, on step number one. Step number one is understanding. And a report with all of that.
When the person that does the reporting for you came back, or when you did it yourself or whatever, probably a lot of leads are like, “Ah, now it says direct traffic. What is that?” Obviously, they didn’t just come and wake up one day and say, “Oh, I’m just going to go to condoragency.com.” No, they heard you somewhere, but you’re still not sure. You won the client, you know you won the client, the client’s paying you money, but you’re not sure. So maybe, okay, what needs to improve in our measurement framework.
Usually, you can start with your CRM, your HubSpot, Salesforce, for instance, or whatever you use. There’s some web analytics that might need to happen. You need to connect your advertising platforms. You’re probably going to need to start talking to your sales team so they ask the right questions when they have discovery calls with prospects. I mean, there’s a few things you can do, but I’m talking specifically about measurement gaps so you can have the full picture.
So when you talk to new prospects or clients, can they answer one most of the time?
They can partially answer one. I would go a step beyond because, I mean, that’s not the sexiest answer. I would say it’s usually, let’s just say, around 50% of their leads and clients, they can know who was responsible. And then there’s a couple of parts there. First and foremost, not only for your sake, but for the sake of your alignment with the C-suite and with the CEO and the CFO and even the sales team. You want to know, is marketing responsible for this? Number one. Because then that’s very important.
Because that’s what’s going to justify the existence of the marketing team. Then later, if it came from a paid search campaign or a paid social or a conference, if those all are in the marketing budget, that’s secondary. But most importantly, you want to make sure that, number one, you’re bringing pipeline as a marketing department, and number two, you know exactly what pipeline you’re bringing. Not only you, but then also your CEO and your CFO.
So then it’s like a luxury, let’s say, to see if it comes from, the tough part is that you won’t know that it comes from marketing unless you’re tracking paid search and you’re tracking conferences in the CRM the right way. So obviously, they are related in that way.
Okay. Love it. So understand your pipeline generation, and then adjust the budget to make sure you’re supporting the ones that generate the most, and fix those that are not optimized. So maybe optimize them or replace them or come up with a new one. How else do you fix other than your measurement gaps?
Okay, you fixed the measurement gaps. Now you can measure it. You have a full picture. Then you have a slate of options, and how do you know what to choose if you’re not doing enough?
Yeah. So I think there’s a couple of things there. One is understanding if you… Because, obviously, you always want to generate more pipeline. So you have to then say, “Okay, is my problem that I’m not generating any interest in the first place at all?” Like, there’s nobody visiting my website. Or even downloading some pieces of content, what traditionally is called conversions or marketing-qualified leads. Obviously, that’s not the goal.
The goal is that they turn into clients. But you have to know that if people are not visiting your website and you’re not seeing marketing-qualified leads coming into your CRM, then you have to do certain things. Whereas if the problem is, “Okay, no, that’s not the problem, Carlos,” and this is actually more common, which is a little counterintuitive, but the more and more that we work with mid-market clients, we realize this is the case.They are generating marketing-qualified leads.
There is activity in the CRM. There are companies, new companies, that you see are visiting your website, downloading and consuming content. But then, for some reason, they are not becoming clients. So that’s where we have to dig in and understand. Maybe they downloaded a white paper that was very educational in nature. And they’re not ready to buy. Which is fine, and I’m not saying you have to not show that white paper, but you know that white paper is not going to bring you ready-to-buy customers.
So that’s when we have the concept of what sales and marketing people call a BANT-type of lead, which is a lead that has the budget, the authority, the need, and the timing. You want, obviously, a lead that has the four things. Now you start, you measure. Okay, we had 10 leads, and they had, let’s say, the budget and the authority. They were the CTO. The lead of the technology department in the company that we know has the budget. But they just downloaded this and didn’t convert. They didn’t have, let’s say, the timing or the need.
Then maybe you rely more on, for example, paid search, which is a channel that, by searching the right keywords, the bottom-of-funnel keywords, for example, we are a pipeline generation firm. If somebody is looking for, “What is Google Ads?” That’s educational. Now, if somebody’s searching for “experienced agencies in B2B managing Google Ads.” Now, that’s somebody that’s ready to hire an agency to manage their Google Ads.
So that’s why, for example, in this case, if the component that’s lacking is the need and the timing, paid search could be a way to do it. Or intent data, which is now something that is out there not only via paid search, but you identify certain signals and you can target them on programmatic ads or YouTube or whatever. That’s another alternative. So that’s something that you could do, for example, if you have a pain in moving leads down the funnel and closing clients, and you also realize that you’re talking to the right people, but then they’re simply not converting.
And the opposite. You get a lot of people that need your service. But they may be too small, or they may be just a manager and they don’t have the authority to approve a high-ticket service. Then you go towards maybe LinkedIn targeting, or you do a campaign that is based more on account-based marketing, or ABM. Where you know you’re talking to the right people. So again, that’s another adjustment that you can make. So I don’t know if I… Sorry if I deviated a little bit from the question, Steve, but hopefully that’s still—
No, it makes sense. It makes sense. So first you want to measure, and then you diagnose. If you’ve got some activity but it’s not converting, why is it not converting? Maybe it’s not the right approach to build trust. Maybe there’s another approach.
And then you look at the different elements: budget, authority, need, timing. That makes sense. So let me turn it back to you. So what drives growth in your business?
So for us, I would say if we do that, let’s say, Pipeline X-Ray. And we actually did. We’ve been in business for almost 10 years now. And if you would do a Pipeline X-Ray, the number one driver of leads and new clients are, let’s just call it, Condor champions that switch jobs. And not switch jobs that were working with us, but they were working with one of our clients.
And they worked with us, and they saw the work that we did, and they ended up moving to another agency within the same space, for example, or in B2B services, or even if it’s something a little more niche like tech services, which is an area that we also specialize in. And then they say, “I already worked with Condor for either measurement or paid search campaigns or demand generation in general, and I like working with them, so they’re going to call us.” And then some people, they switch multiple jobs.
So embracing that and obviously using that to fuel and to focus even more on doing a great job and maintaining relationships with people, obviously most importantly while they’re a client, but even if they switch, not forgetting about them. That has been the main driver. Obviously, we don’t want to only rely on that. And then more recently, we’ve given more structure to our own sales and marketing department for that. And, for example, we closed a client that came via a paid search campaign. But that’s still… We haven’t scaled those yet.
We’re still making sure. We’re still in that measurement phase where, yeah, we’re putting budget behind a few things and some of them seem to be working better, but not yet at the point of truly scaling that. We’re ultimately also a relatively small firm, which obviously makes decisions differently than if you are, let’s say, a mid-market or enterprise. But those, I would say, in order of importance, have been our three main drivers of growth: the champions that switch jobs, number one, and then I would say secondarily, paid media and events.
Yeah. So these are the three things. And what about the events? Why do you put events as a third? I’m just thinking that you’re a B2B company and trust-based. Would events not be better than paid media?
I would say they’re not mutually exclusive. Actually, they rely a lot on each other. And honestly, for us, I just put number two and three, but I would say they’re tied for second, and then the other ones are four and below. And the reason why I think events are important, what we’re seeing not only for us but for our clients, the outbound activity is really saturated.
I think cold email or cold outreach in general, because it used to be via email, now it’s on LinkedIn as well, it’s really, really saturated. It’s really hard to be heard or to get a reply with cold outreach in general. Paid media, you can be a little bit more creative because you have visuals. Whether that’s video that hopefully you can leverage. So I’m a believer in paid media more than the actual cold outreach via email or LinkedIn. But then the events are also great precisely because of that.
People are saturated and tired of being bombarded with messages from people they don’t know. Whereas especially after COVID, people started going back to both the office and simply going out there. It doesn’t have to be a big yearly conference. It can be just a dinner where you invite four or five people and talk about certain topics or any in-person activity. Well, I mean, a webinar can even be considered an event. Where you’re educating your audience on certain things. And especially if your target audience is more on the manager side or below, or director and below, webinars can be an avenue.
But to answer your question, I think that personal connection is really, really powerful. And people forgot about it with, let’s say, the boom of cold outreach and digital and now AI, and especially during COVID. But definitely in the last few years, we’ve seen not only that people are more willing or prefer to meet people in person, but we see that in the data as well, We see cold outreach campaigns that are bringing less and less results. And then when you connect in person.
Especially high-ticket. I also give this example. If you’re selling B2B services, which are usually high-ticket. It’s a project of either $50,000. It could be an engagement of $2 million over two years. Obviously, you want to know the company, but you also want to trust the human that is going to deliver on that promise. I always give the example: If you’re selling an iPhone cover that costs $25, yeah, maybe you can get away with a pretty image on an Instagram ad. You click and you buy. Boom. Great. You can fully leverage digital for that.
But when you’re selling a cloud migration project of a million dollars, you’re going to want to talk to somebody, trust that person, dig in a little bit more, have a couple of meetings. So it’s more complex. So in particular for those instances, that’s why I think the personal connection, that it’s even better if it starts at an event, or however you manage to do it, helps a lot.
So for Condor, do you make a distinction between B2B companies and B2C, and where you can help them the most?
Yeah. We have a couple of direct-to-consumer clients, but the majority of the work that we do is either for B2B or, if not B2B, it’s lead generation. So e-commerce, for example, is a different world. E-commerce, as I mentioned, depending on what you buy, it’s immediate. You track things. You have a platform like Shopify or something similar. It’s a whole different world. Whereas that’s immediate, and you can see everything, and it’s all kind of automated and based on an inventory.
Whereas in either B2B services or lead generation, it’s more about, okay, what happens after the initial action, after that initial either visit or conversion. Because a conversion is not a purchase. In e-commerce, in direct-to-consumer, in the example that I gave you, we made it. We sold the cover. That’s our business. In here, it’s like, okay, they downloaded a white paper. Or they signed up for a webinar, but that’s only the first step of a long journey of closing, again, a $1 million service client.
So we specialize in that. In what needs to happen, not only to generate the initial raise of hand, but to make sure that the people that raise their hands are the right people, because otherwise they’re not going to end up buying. And ultimately, the entire process of lead generated to client closed. Which is a big universe in itself. So that’s where we want to focus.
So you basically help them not just to get the leads but to convert the leads and turn them into a client.
Right. Right.
So Carlos, if you had a magic wand and you could fix just one thing in your business in the next 12 months, what would you use the magic wand for?
I would say accelerate. I would accelerate by five or 10 years the structure and how mature our sales and marketing team is. I would love to wake up tomorrow morning and have a team of five people in the marketing department and five people dedicated to sales, with SDRs and a sales leader, that is already generating, that we’re closing 10 clients a month. So I would say that’s… But that obviously takes time.
And you want to go one step at a time, otherwise, to prove ROI and to grow without, let’s say, wasting unproven budget or wasting money. But I think a lot of owners—I don’t know if it’s a cheap answer—but I think a lot of owners would probably answer the same thing.
Yeah. So essentially what you need to do is you need to have scalable sales and marketing so that you can just add people and it’s going to—it’s like a coin-operated system, right?
Yeah. Yeah.
So if the listeners would like to go through that process and they would like to understand, okay, how do we map our leads, where they come from, evaluate it, and then adjust and fix and scale, where can they learn more and how can they connect with you? Yeah.
So if they go to our website, it’s condoragency.com. Condor, like the bird. There are some options there on how to work with us or even some information, even if they want to try and do it by themselves, right? Again, what I mentioned earlier, the Pipeline X-Ray. It’s a quick project that we do to get to that, where you can start seeing some valuable information to take action on fairly quickly.
We can get that done in a couple of weeks, the exercise of the Pipeline X-Ray, so then you know what to start adjusting and fixing. And obviously, you can contact me directly also on LinkedIn or via our website. I’m glad to obviously have a subsequent conversation and see if and how we can help.
Awesome. So if you are out there and you want to improve your sales and marketing, then you have to start with the Pipeline X-Ray because you are getting leads, you just don’t know where they are from and how effective they are, and then how you tweak the process so that you’re putting energy behind the more effective ones and readjusting your budget, and then fix the gaps.
So Carlos can help you with that, right? So make sure you reach out to Condor and get the X-Ray. So Carlos, thanks for coming. And if you enjoyed this conversation, then make sure you subscribe and follow us on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, because every week I bring a couple of entrepreneurs who are sharing their frameworks with you. So Carlos, thanks for coming, and thanks for listening.
